More KADETSKY information

Ellis Island arrival records.

Menashe Kadetsky b. 1881 arrived: 3 January 1904 Age on Arrival : 23 Residence London
Samuel Kadetsky b. 1880 arrived: 24 April 1904 Age on Arrival: 24 Residence London
Itzchok Kadetsky b. 1870 arrived: 29 July 1903 Age on Arrival : 33 Residence Szerpeck (in Plock)

This information is available on Ellis Island records. Because "our" Kadetskies came over in 1879, before Ellis Island existed, I have no idea of the link between these three men and our family. Any information or suggestions are welcome.....

Castle Garden arrivals (1830 to 1913) include:

ISRAEL KADETSKY LABORER age: 30 Male arrived: 20 Jun 1871 from: GERMANY Ship name: WISCONSIN

And here are some alternative spelling possibilities:

ALBERT KADETZ LABORER age: 25 Male arrived: 12 Sep 1892 from RUSSIA Ship name: DUBBELDAM
BLINNE KADETZKI WOMAN age: 48 Female arrived: 25 Aug 1880 from RUSSIA Ship name: GELLERT
ESTHER KADETZKI DAUGHTER age: 9 Female arrived: 25 Aug 1880 from RUSSIA Ship name: GELLERT
ALBERT KADETZKI FARMER age: 21 Male arrived: 23 Mar 1887 from GERMANY Ship name: HERMANN


REBECKE KADECKE UNKNOWN age 41 Female arrived: 23 Jun 1893 RUSSIA Ship name: FURST BISMARCK
U KADECKI LABORER age 36 Male arrived: 19 Jul 1893 RUSSIA Ship name: DRESDEN
CZERNE KADECZ CHILD, YOUNGSTER age 9 Female arrived: 19 Jul 1893 RUSSIA Ship name: DRESDEN
SCHORE KADECZ CHILD, YOUNGSTER age 7 Female arrived: 19 Jul 1893 RUSSIA Ship name: DRESDEN
SCHYNE KADECZ LABORERage 45 Female arrived: 19 Jul 1893 RUSSIA Ship name: DRESDEN


CHAJE KADESCHKY WIFE 65 F 25 Jan 1894 RUSSIA STATE OF NEBRASKA
LEIBE KADESCHKY CHILD, YOUNGSTER 10 F 25 Jan 1894 RUSSIA STATE OF NEBRASKA


ABRAM KADISCHKY FARMER 14 M 3 Mar 1890 RUSSIA RHAETIA
DAVID KADISCHKY LABORER 19 M 14 Sep 1891 RUSSIA GELLERT
ISAAC KADISCHKY SHOEMAKER 17 M 9 Apr 1891 RUSSIA ST. OF PENNSYLVANIA

CHAJE KADISCKY FARMER 23 F 25 Jul 1896 RUSSIA PALATIA
HIRSCH KADISCKY CHILD, YOUNGSTER 2 M 25 Jul 1896 RUSSIA PALATIA

ELIAS KADISKI MERCHANT 21 M 27 Nov 1888 RUSSIA POLYNESIA
ABRAM KADISKY LABORER 24 M 5 Nov 1888 RUSSIA RHAETIA
BERTE KADISKY WIFE 38 F 4 Nov 1895 RUSSIA BERLIN
DAVID KADISKY LABORER 17 M 2 Jul 1892 RUSSIA RUSSIA
DOBE KADISKY CHILD, YOUNGSTER 11 F 4 Nov 1895 RUSSIA BERLIN


FRENCE KADISKY CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 4 Nov 1895 RUSSIA BERLIN
JACOB KADISKY CHILD, YOUNGSTER 9 M 4 Nov 1895 RUSSIA BERLIN
LEIBE KADISKY LABORER 13 F 4 Nov 1895 RUSSIA BERLIN
LEIZE KADISKY UNKNOWN 13 F 20 Dec 1893 RUSSIA SPAARNDAM

Some more KADETSKY trivia that might jog our memories.

Mark says:
Adolph Kadet – from Biezun Poland, who was my grandfathers (Abraham Wolman) uncle (my gf mothers brother), was absolutely originally Abraham Kadetsky born 14 Oct 1883 - died 15 Aug 1962. His wife was Yetta F. Kadet born 30 May 1887 - died 4 Feb 1959 in San Diego, California

And some things I pulled ou from the Internet back when:

Naturalizations
Surname - Name Year naturalised file details
Kadetsky - Abraham 1929 426 135184 K332
Kadetsky - Elias 1925 45557 K332
Kadetsky - Fanny 1944 1462 408149 K332
Kadetsky - Henry 1925 151 37034 K332
Kadetsky - Morris 1916 60 14707 K332

NY Grooms/Brides' Index
Date married File details
Kadetsky - Anna Dec 26 1930 9608 Bronx K332
Kadetsky - Anna Aug 17 1902 15787 Manhattan K332
Kadetsky - Esther Nov 12 1934 19125 Kings K332
Kadetsky - Florence R Sep 7 1935 8239 Bronx K332
Kadetz - Anna Mar 7 1880 1596 Manhattan K332
Kaditsky - Jean May 4 1931 3094 Bronx K332
Kaditus - Helen Jan 28 1929 860 Bronx K332
Kadowitz Rose Aug 13 1934 6204 Bronx K332
Katetsky - Gertrude Jun 26 1932 4245 Bronx K332

KADETSKY family connections

I have recently been contacted by a descendent of Rachael KADETSKY from Biezun, and given family details. I've not yet been able to see any link to our Kadetskies but will keep looking. Mark, the man who e-mailed me, has been sharing his family data and I have give him ours (Abraham Joseph and Adeline's details) and hopefully we can find the missing link.

Please check this out and if there is anything that sounds familiar to you, please let me know: that is how we can follow the connections and find the generation were our families intersect.

Mark says:

All the Kadetskys I see in the MA area don’t seem connected to mine yet, BUT I have found a possible one: Harold M. Kadet (probably changed from Kadetsky) born Nov 27 1927 died Jan 17 2000 first lived in Brooklyn NY, but then moved and later died in Hinsdale MA:

221 Ashmere Dr. Hinsdale MA 01235

His parents were:

Henry Kadet 1903-1980
Paula B. Kadet 1907-1982

They are buried with a lot of my other relatives (Wolman, Kadetsky, etc.) in Elmont NY at Beth David Cemetery. Attached are photos of all the Kadetsky/Kadet/Kadetz stones I have….and as far as your maps and data, I would love anything you are willing to share. (I'm going to have the stones translated and upload a.s.a.p.)

My maternal grandfather, Abraham Wolman’s mother was Rachael Kadetzki (Kadetski, Kadet, etc. Not sure of the original name in Poland but I think it was Kadetzki). Rachael Kadetzki’s siblings were Moshe Aharon, Adoph and William and William’s wife was Dora.

Here’s info I have on William:
Born 1885 – Russia
Residence in US: 510 Concord Street, Bronx, NY
Was an elevator operator as per the 1920 census

I have photos of graves of Mary and Morris Kadetsky (husband and wife) and other Kadet and Kadetz graves with names and dates. The only other one I “know” about is Ely.

Gussie Kadetz
Ely Kadetz (my maternal grandfather Abraham Wolman’s cousin – Ely was the son of one of Abraham’s mother Rachel’s brother or sister)
Henry Kadet
Paula B. Kadet
Harold M. Kadet

Slim, I know. I have come in contact with a girl whose great grandfather was William above, so that makes her great grandfather and my great grandmother brother and sister – wild.

Mark.


A year ago my niece spent a few days in the Massachusetts Archives and found the following ( I haven't put it in any order yet, but here it is anyway):

Death Certificates info:
1) Isaac Kadetsky died July 11th 1891 (born July 14th 1854) at age 38 ( i think they are a year off on the age, only a few days though) died of Pericarditis,
lived on Prince street in Boston, no info on the burial site.
Occupation: Clerk
Parents' birthplace and name: Samuel and Rosa "Abraham" ( unfortunately there was a hole in the original paper right where her name was I spent a while studying it and this the best I could make out of it).
Both from Russia

Isaac's sons:
2) Jacob Kadetsky ( number 2) Born July 16th 1883
Father: Isaac Kadetsky and mother Dora, Father's job: clerk,
Both parents born in Poland.
3) Abraham Kadetsky Born on Feb 28th 1885.
From parents Isaac and Dora Kadetsky
lived at 33 Pitts street Boston
As you will see there is a lot of repeats on the names.the 2 original Isaac and Jacob from Russia had different parents, maybe the fathers Elias and Samuel were brothers.
4) Jacob Kadetsky died on March 1rst 1906 (born Sept. 20th 1853) at age 51 ( that is what it says on the death Cert., but if the birth day is accurate then he was really 53).
He was a Pedler
Lived at 11 Payston street Boston,
Son of Elias Kadetsky from Russia and Gertrude Lashinsky born in Russia.
Below is the death certificate from a son that Jacob had:Abram Kadetsky died aug 13th 1889 at 1 year and 10 months old, Parents: Jacob and Pauline Kadetsky, Russia.
Lived at 23 Decatur street in Boston,
They are also the parents of Rosa Kadetsky, born in 1882 .

This infant is a grandson of Abraham and Schifra:
Then we have Isaac Kadetsky son of Jacob, Born on Oct 9th, died Oct 12th 1907 at 3 days of age.
Parents: Jacob Kadetsky born in NY and Mother Rebecca Wallockstein, born in Boston.

And last but not least we have Rose Kadetsky died March 21rst 1910 at 71 years old. Wife of Samuel Kadetsky from Russia-Poland. Daughter of Jacob Jackson and Adeline Levy both from Russia. This last bit is a little unclear because on Isaac's death Cert. in 1891 Rosa's last name does not match Jackson I am sure of it, as hard as it was to read the first letter was unmistakable as an "A" not doubt about it. hard to say what that is about.
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A new "mini" blog

In order for this blog to remain "Private" yet still be contacted by interested relatives, I have created a second "mini blog" with a list of surnames and my e-mail address - that one should appear on major search engines, so anyone searching one of the surnames on this blog can find and contact me and if they are related, I can invite them to join our group.

The URL for that blog is
http://www.hymoff-family-blog.blogspot.com/

The entries on google and other search engines will remain up for this blog, but anyone trying to link from them will be advised that they require an invitation.

So far 9 people have accepted the invitation and 22 are pending.

correspondence relating to KADETSKY

Over the years I have been in touch with people who for some reason were connected with certain surnames. I will slowly copy some of the correspondence here in case anything rings a bell with anyone...

June 2004
"All I have for you about the KADETSKY name is that a man who may have been named Ben Kadetsky married a woman whose last name was SOBEL. They had at least one child possibly named Sam Kadetsky. Ben Kadetsky would have been born about 1840. I have no documentation. This information was given to me by an in-law of mine related to the Sobels. Family tradition says the Sobels came from Poland. I have no information about anyone in Boston. The Sobels I know of were New Yorkers. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

WASSERZUG- WATERS

Si Waters and his Hymoff sisters, Dora, Grace, Charlotte and Sarah, at a family wedding in 1950.

Adeline (Hadel Esther) KADETSKY married a man named WASSERZUG in the US and later divorced him. They had a son, Simon, born in 1885, who is called "Simon Hymoff" in some census records. He later changed the name to WATERS. Adeline soon after married Israel Hymoff and they had five surviving children, the four ladies in the picture above and my grandfather Gustave.

We have been unable to find Simon's father's first name anywhere. I hope a visit to the Archives might turn it up, or even yield the marriage information of Adeline and Mr. Wasserzug.

- 1900 United States Federal Census: Massachusetts, Suffolk County, Boston
27 Lowell Street home of Abraham KADETSKY. Living with him, was

* Abraham’s cousin, Simon HYMOF (male born May 1885 in Russia).

- 1910 Census: "Technology Chambers - 8 Livingston Street" Boston"Simon Waters was in Boston in the 1910 Census. He was 23 in 1910, born abt 1886, single, lodger, wool salesman. He was born in Massachusetts, but his mother and father were born in Poland/Russ/Yiddish. " (info sent me by a helpful fellow genner) .

1925 Boston Business Directory:
Waters Simon, wool 263 Summer rm 506 h at B'line

1930 census:

Simon Waters (aged 43) was living on number 9, Rawson (Sp?) Road with his wife, Minna Coles (aged 39 and born in Pennsylvania of Russian parents), his son Richard N (age 7) and his daughter Esther (Waters Bovarnick) ( age 4.5) and their servant Margaret Kelly, aged 29.


I'd like to develop this line a little further and hope the Waters family will contribute pictures and more information...

HYMOFFs and KADETSKIES in the Census

All Kadetskies are in RED
First of all, I have the following Naturalisation information on Israel Hymoff:

Declaration of Intention
1 document 3 pages – Israel Hymoff
Petition for Naturalisation
Born Lublin Russian Poland Sept 11 1871
Arrived NY, NY June 26 1889

I have looked several times for a ship that arrived in NYC on that date without any luck.

The 1890 census was destroyed in a fire, so we will never know what it said.

CENSUS RECORDS:

1900 United States Federal Census: Massachusetts, Suffolk County, Chelsea
102 Everett Avenue
Israel Hymuth (male born in January 1869 in Russia) is living with his wife Adaline (female born in January 1866 in Poland). They have four children: Simon (male born January 1885 in Massachusetts), Dora (female born December 1891 in Massachusetts), Getchel (male born September 1893 in Massachusetts), and Rachael (female born August 1894 in Massachusetts). Isreal and Adaline have been married for nine years.

Israel arrived in the United States in 1890 and is a naturalized citizen. His parents were born in Russia. Adaline arrived in 1879. Her parents were born in Poland (Russia).

1910 United States Federal Census: Massachusetts
Israel is listed in the census records as an inmate a Sanatorium in Rutland MA.:
Massachusetts, Worcester County, Rutland: Rutland State Sanatorium: Israel HYMOFF is a patient in the sanatorium. He was born in about 1868 in Germany. He has been married for 17 years. His parents were both born in Germany. Israel arrived in the United States in 1887 and is a naturalized citizen. He speaks English. His occupation is listed as “Merchant”

The remaining "HYMASS" family was found as follows:
191 Magnolia Street, Suffolk County: Israel Hymas or Hymov, aged 47, Adeline, aged 46, Gustave, son aged 15, Dora, daughter aged 17, Grace, aged 11, Lottie age 8 and Sarah age 6.

1920 United States Federal Census: Massachusetts, Suffolk County, Boston
5 Otisfield Street
Max Cohen (male born about 1884 in Ohio) is living with his wife Dora (female born about 1893 in Massachusetts). They have three children: Sydney (male born about 1915 in Massachusetts), Melvin (male born about 1917 in Massachusetts), and Selma B. (female born about 1919 in Massachusetts). The entire Cohen family is listed as being Jewish. Max’s occupation is listed as “Cutter” in store.

Also living with Max and his family are:

· His father-in-law, Israel Hymoff (male born about 1868 in Russia). Israel is listed as a widower and is listed as being Jewish. Both of his parents are listed as being born in Russia. Israel’s occupation is listed as “Florist” in a florist store.
· His (Max's) brother-in-law, Gustave Hymoff (male born about 1895 in Massachusetts). Gustave is listed as being single and Jewish.
· His sister-in-law, Grace Hymoff (female born about 1916 in Massachusetts). Listed as single and Jewish. Grace’s occupation is listed as working in a dress factory·
* His sister-in-law, Charlotte Hymoff (female born about 1903 in Massachusetts). Listed as single and Jewish.
· His sister-in-law, Sarah Hymoff (female born about 1905 in Massachusetts). Listed as single and Jewish.
· His cousin, Moses Kadetsky (male born about 1894 in Massachusetts). Listed as married and Jewish. Parents were born in Russia. His occupation is a Salesman in shoe store.
· His cousin, Bessie Kadetsky (female born about 1895 in Massachusetts). Listed as married and Jewish. Parents were born in Russia.

1930 United States Federal Census: Massachusetts, Suffolk County, Boston5 Otisfield Street
Max Cohen (male born about 1885 in Ohio) is living with his wife Dora (female born about 1893 in Masschusetts). They have four children: Sydney (male born about 1914 in Massachusetts), Melvin (male born about 1917 in Massachusetts), S*** (female born about 1919 in Massachusetts) and Henry (male born about 1918 in Massachusetts and since identified as belonging to another Cohen family). The entire Cohen family is listed as being Jewish. Max was 28 years old when he married Dora, who was 19 years old. The family owned a radio. Max’s occupation is listed as a “Cutter” for ladies' garments.

Also living with Max and his family are:

· His father-in-law, Israel Hymoff (male born about 1870 in Russia). Israel is listed as being a widower and Jewish. Israel’s occupation is listed as “Florist” jobbing. His native tongue is Hebrew. He arrived in the United States in 1891 and is a naturalized citizen.

760 Montana StreetGustave Hymoff (male born about 1896 in Massachusetts) is living with his wife Gertrude E. (female born about 1898 in Russia). They have two children: Edward (male born about 1924 in Massachusetts) and P**** (female born about 1929 in Massachusetts). Gertrude’s native tongue is listed as Yiddish and she arrived in the United States in 1906. She is a naturalized citizen. Gustave’s occupation is listed as “Florist.” The family owns a radio.

The 1940 census will be made public in 2012, meanwhile.....

Many details in the census information are incorrect - this can be due to sloppy filling out by the census taker, bad English communication skills by the informant, mistaken interpretation by the person introducing the data into the indexing system, or any other factor. And his grandchildren tell us that Israel tended to tell everyone different things about his origins, so we will never know if he was listed as "German" at Rutland by a mistaken staff member or if he himself made it up, maybe stating that where he was from was at the time actually Germany and no longer Poland.....   Borders did shift a lot back then!